Curse

yo home boi · Oct 26, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

lol man no offence that aint to good.... i used to get 14k every 10mins uw smite runs

Riotgear · Oct 26, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

there are new skills after all. It's just a matter of time.

It's not even that there are new skills, it's just that there are enough places with huge groups of monsters all operating on a single concept, and plenty of skill combos to turn you practically invincible against at least some of them.

Another interesting note, the AI is buggy, and it seems like it may be patternable into even worse exploits. How much worse? How about one person spectating one of my troll farm tests got too close. The troll pack ran back and forth between the two of us, not attacking, until he ran out of range, then they all ran up to me and got in melee range. They didn't attack, move, or do anything for the rest of the run. They just stood there while I blasted them to death.

Karmaniac · Oct 26, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by heroajax1

After hearing about this "nerf" I went to elona's reach and to farm some vermin. Nothing's changed. Just takes a bit longer. Really this update simply nerfed "bots." That's it real players will easily adapt to these changes.

Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?

Tommy · Oct 26, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by Karmaniac

Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?

omg, none of the chinese farmers are bots.. they are all human! they just can't understand what you are saying. and they are not so good a gamer, what do you expect for 1 cent per hour labor? they can only repeat the same move again and again like the workers working with assembly line... they can't speak Any English or do anything other than repeating the same action... talk to them in Chinese and they will reply.geeze, you guys keep complaing about chinese farmers ruining the game but if they dont farm gold in games they will starve to death in real life... guys have some mercy

we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.
haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea.

Thanas · Oct 26, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I'm still farming smites with my warrior. Not much has changed. I just let my health stay at around 50% and they think they can kill me, so they keep attacking me. I also make sure I don't drain all their energy, that also makes them run.

Tommy · Oct 26, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Thanas

I'm still farming smites with my warrior. Not much has changed. I just let my health stay at around 50% and they think they can kill me, so they keep attacking me. I also make sure I don't drain all their energy, that also makes them run.

how do you deal with the axxtas? wont they keey chasing you?

Sertu · Oct 26, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

whats that smell *sniffs around*

smells like ....

a whiner.

If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game.

Sertu · Oct 26, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Tommy

omg, none of the chinese farmers are bots.. they are all human! they just can't understand what you are saying. and they are not so good a gamer, what do you expect for 1 cent per hour labor? they can only repeat the same move again and again like the workers working with assembly line... they can't speak Any English or do anything other than repeating the same action... talk to them in Chinese and they will reply.geeze, you guys keep complaing about chinese farmers ruining the game but if they dont farm gold in games they will starve to death in real life... guys have some mercy

we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.
haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea.

if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...

Oct 26, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

It seems that you can still farm trolls and melee creatures, it seems that if they run once...and come back, they will not run again, and die.

annachie · Oct 26, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Sertu

whats that smell *sniffs around*

smells like ....

a whiner.

If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game.

haha, yea, it sure stinks!!

RaisetheFish · Oct 26, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

This is good in some cases...Less people Farming = More people in random missions...

Notice how hard it is to get a full team now and days?

Good Job ANET!!!!

king_robin · Oct 26, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I used to farm alot but after 6 month of farming IT SUCKS. BORING SAME S"#T all the time. For those who loves to farm and nothing else to do. As the Sertu said : "than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game."
SO AGREE, rather Play PvP

Edit: Maybe I can get my Protector of Tyrian or Protector of Cantha now ^^

heroajax1 · Oct 26, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Karmaniac

Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?

What facts?

Everything here is simply whining and speculation.

I just completed another Elona's run and started a short run of Prophet's Path hydras. Nothing's really that different. The only difference is you have to watch spamming aoe spells. That's it. Using SoJ, and SoJ only, they don't run away. When I combo SoJ with Zealot's Fire and spam enchantments, they run. Just like they did before. The difference is that unlike yesterday, they stay away for a little bit. They come back. They still attack. They still die. Farming still works. Get over it and go make some money.

Oct 26, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Actually, belay what I said it seems that you need to fufill a 'certain' requirement for the melee monsters to trigger your spells I.E, Sliver Armor, SoJ....etc etc.

King's Spectre · Oct 26, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I tried a few things last night. Touch ranger seems to work fine. My warrior and monk builds worked ok, but slow.

Builds that focus on picking off one target at a time may do well in the weeks ahead.

monty123 · Oct 26, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Sertu

if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...

They don't pay for it. They work in a sweat shop, where they just go in and work for 12 hours a day @ 4 cents an hour. They can't find a better job, there's no minimum wage there, and also they might not be qualified for that job. It does make sense because it's true.

Although there are bots out there, more of them are chinese farmers.

sno · Oct 26, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

If you think about the basis of the game, all of pve is an attempt to simulate pvp. monster ai is meant to be the same as human intelligence, and as you progress through the game monsters become harder, until you reach the pinnacle (end-game) and progress into pvp. "Farming" was never an intended part of the game, only an inevidable outcome as many gamers are greedy and feel the need to have more of something than the average joe, regardless of how meaningless that something may be.

One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable.

The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".)

So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again.

Less Crying Is Key, kThx.

ToxicWasted · Oct 26, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by sno

..Long Post..

Funny to see someone who made 7M exp calling others greedy and exploiters...

Amity and Truth · Oct 26, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by sno

PVP versus PVE Bashing Post

It's easy to put people into categorys like:
Everyone that likes the AI update is a smart player
Everyone that does not like the AI Update is a moron

Thanks for joining in on the flamefest, naturally i'd expect a lot more from a moderator

I'll give you a third option. Some people don't like PVP at all. *Gasp* Yep, those are out there too and they are quite a few. That doesn't make them morons or less intelligent beings or idiotic people who just bash buttons. Interesting enough, they're also paying for the very same servers the PVP lot is playing on! *gasp* yes that means they're equal to you, to me, to anyone that is playing Guildwars. Yes, yes. Sad but true, they're not some kind of subhuman being.

But meh... why even discuss on that matter? You know, i'm playing PVE so i'm a "whiner" and just too lazy for everyting

. Stupid categorys never work in your favor. And the even more stupid PVP>PVE Argument has been beaten to death. Some like PVE, some like PVP. Nope, none of the both sides is any better than the other or anymore skilled than the other. They're just as skilled in other things, enjoying different things, viewing at things differently.

sage tank · Oct 26, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Guys, i believe that this update is very logical, if they do not improve AI and let the farm fest continue, when hero comes out, I can just easily farm UW with a hero 55 or hero SS using ONE character. You guys ever thought about that?. anyway, I'm just saying, Anet take away one thing and give us another. Anyway, I cant wait till hero farm. I'm gonna try making 4 man team build for farming fow MYSELF. I'll probably bond, take 1 healer, 1 warrior, 1 SS.

man life is so much easier when you dont have noob PUG in your group